The Israeli government’s military campaign in Gaza has not only drawn widespread condemnation for its devastating humanitarian toll but has also placed Jewish communities worldwide in an untenable position. By persistently equating criticism of Israel with antisemitism, the state and its staunch supporters have created a dangerous dynamic in which legitimate political opposition is silenced while genuine anti-Jewish bigotry is cynically instrumentalized. This conflation does not serve Jewish safety—it endangers it.
One of the most disturbing consequences is the growing hostility faced by Jewish individuals abroad, regardless of their actual stance on Israel. Those who remain silent risk being lumped together with the Israeli state’s actions, while those who vocally defend its policies further reinforce the perception that Jewish identity and Zionism are inseparable. This false linkage plays directly into the hands of both the Israeli government and actual antisemites, who thrive on the narrative that Jews everywhere bear responsibility for Israel’s conduct.
Yet this crisis also presents an opportunity—and an urgent imperative—for Jews in the diaspora to challenge this damaging conflation. While many have long criticized Israel’s policies, the current moment demands broader, louder dissent. Staying silent is no longer neutral; it enables the assumption that Jewish communities universally endorse or excuse Israel’s actions. Organized Jewish opposition to the war, occupation, and apartheid policies would not only help reclaim the distinction between Judaism and Zionism but also weaken the weaponization of antisemitism as a shield for state violence.
The reality is that Israel’s conduct is not just a threat to Palestinians—it is a self-inflicted crisis for Jewish people globally. The more the state claims to act in the name of all Jews, the more it fuels backlash against them. Breaking this cycle requires Jewish communities to actively, publicly reject the idea that Israel speaks for them. Otherwise, they remain trapped in a narrative where their safety is held hostage to a government whose actions they may not support. The path forward must include both solidarity with Palestinian liberation and an insistence that Jewish identity cannot be reduced to a political allegiance—least of all to a state committing atrocities in their name.
Brilliant summation Luis. The con Zionism has enacted for decades to brainwash people into believing Zionism and Judaism are one, not only endangers true Jewish values and reputation for what Judaist Jews stand for and represent along with their humanity, but sees them having to suffer because of the evil perpetrated by Zionism and its opportunism to exploit the sympathy and guilt the world has endured because of Hitler's depravity. What the international community must wake up to is Zionism is a cancer of evil and inhumanity.
Great analysis - I agree - the Zionists need to be eliminated by the Jews themselves. Any group with a radical minority is a danger until that minority is eliminated. But very few Jews are prepared to speak out against a tribe that is now led and controlled by Zionists. All Jews now have a problem because they allowed the Zionist minority to take command of the tribe….,
In Australia since last year the Jewish Council of Australia (some 600+ members - many prominent persons) has spoken up against the genocide etc in Gaza, in Palestine - and against the Zionist lobbies (and Mossad operatives in Australia).
It’s not getting reported or getting airplay because the Jewish Council is essentially Zionist……they do not have clean hands and routinely finger politicians and shout down criticism of Israel….perhaps they need to be vocally critical of Israel???
I am not sure Glenn that you and I are speaking of the same Jewish Council of Australia - the JCA I am referencing is anti-Zionist and pro-Palestinian! You must be referring to one or other of the Zionist lobbies!
They conflated all Palestinians with Hamas who they demonized as terrorists when they were/are actually freedom fighters. So it’s only karma that all 🧃 are stigmatized by the actions of israelis, given israel is a jewi$h ethnostate. Moreover, isreali jewi$h actions over the past 75+ years have been abhorrent. No sugar coating now that the world sees the truth. They all aided, abetted and tacitly supported that evil state.
It is not possible to ignore the reality, and only fools try, that for 77 years most Jews, including Australian Jews, have supported, promoted, enabled and funded Zionist Israel ignoring its atrocities, war crimes and genocidal ethnic cleansing, both in its foundation and beyond.
If a State claiming to represent Islam and all Muslims on earth, was doing what Israel is doing and most Australian Muslims had supported that, then they too would be targeted. Same for Hindus, Christians or any religion.
Many Australian Jews, possibly most, have not only funded the bestial savagery and sadistic cruelty of Israel's foundation and function, they have sent their children on Jew camps both in what is called Israel and in Occupied Palestine and betrayed every principle of justice, rule of law, democracy, human rights and common human decency.
Israel is a disaster and it has always been a disaster and Jews have no-one to blame but themselves for now reaping the gory and barbaric harvest they helped to sow. I have sympathy for the Jews who have always condemned Israel but they are a small minority and are no doubt comforted by the fact that their courage and integrity are recognised.
Why any sane Jew would ever allow Israel to get away with claiming it represents them and their religion is the real question.
Judaism and Zionism are mutually antagonistic. For any REAL Jew, Israel is an abomination and blasphemous while Zionism, which seeks to destroy religion, is inherently anti-Semitic.
This the best delineation of the problems created by the bizarre conflating of Anti-Semitism, Israel, Jewish faith and Zionism. And you are right - Frydenberg, Sussssan Ley and the Southwick chap are so ignorant as to forfeit any legitimacy in speaking for Australia - with Albanese, Wong and others not too far behind - alas! It proves yet again that being elected does not equate to being knowledgeable - merely, in many cases, to being easily manipulated - by shadowy groups such as the Zionist lobbies - endangering us all
The Zionist state of Israel, the genocide, ethnic cleansing, war crimes and crimes against humanity, non compliance with the UN Charter and basic human dignity and decency are the reasons WORLD CITIZENS so vehemently are disgusted with the behavior and the complete lack of acknowledgment from so called western civilization.
We are not anti semites nor jihadist. We are witnesses to these deplorable crimes.
Clearly it is the Zionist state of Israel that is the greatest antisemitic threat by far to the safety, security and welfare of Jews! All that Netanyahu and his cohorts stand for is not Jewish life, but power, supremacy and territory, and at any cost. And those politicians who bend, twist and grovel in order to serve Israel are nothing but moral contortionists!
Time for a little update in how we talk about the relation of zionism and Judaism. It's no longer enough to just state the fact that anti zionism does not equal anti Judaism. It is time to clearly state that zionism IS anti Judaism.
It’s time Jews got off their arses and exterminated the Zionist because they are giving all Jews a bad reputation. Non-Zionist Jews need to get out in support of Palestinians and start criticising Netanyahu and Zionist sympathiser Trump and all the other suck holes like Albanese , Carney and Starmer (and all the rest)!
2. Zionist is the only terrorist both in the Palestine and Lebanon.
You cant keep gashlighting the people that resist your brutal occupation just by simply labelling them as terrorist and pretend to be amnesia about what you have done to them🤷♂️🤦♀️. It's already expired, zionist. Wake up from your Illusion.
The excuse that Jews needed a safe place after the Nazis was always an excuse and a lie. The Zionists used that excuse and that lie to drag the gullible, Jews and non-Jews, along with their genocidal plans to colonise Palestine and to exterminate non-Jews, which was and is most Palestinians because they are Muslim and Christian.
It is irrelevant how some, many, Jews suffered in Europe in WWII because none of it justifies them doing worse to the Palestinians. It is also forgotten that most Jews, even in WWII, including in some parts of Europe, were NEVER at threat from the Nazis and a safe place for Jews was never needed and was the greater lie than, a country without people for people without a country.
The first plans to colonise Palestine with Jews were formed in the 1830's, a century before the Nazis. Zionism was invented in 1897 and was advertising worldwide for Jews to come and colonise Palestine, using the words COLONISE AND PALESTINE. It had nothing to do with the Nazis who merely served a very useful propaganda purpose, as some Zionists have admitted.
The Zionists actively worked NOT to save Jews because they realised the more dead Jews there were, the better it was for their colonising business. It is a clearly stated fact that they refused to allow Jewish children to leave Germany for Britain where they would be safe and that the only Jews they would support were those who went to Palestine.
EVEN AFTER WWII MOST EUROPEAN JEWS DID NOT GO TO PALESTINE AS COLONISTS. They were the smart ones.
Quote: From the very onset of Zionist colonialism in Palestine, enormous efforts were undertaken to control the telling of the story. A new grand narrative was created, one which lionized the settlers and demonized the Palestinian natives -that is, if the Palestinians were even acknowledged. Like all foundational mythologies, it was half-baked, contradictory, and twisted the truth to the point of breaking it many times over. Consequently, many misunderstandings surrounding the establishment of Israel are common to this day.
For instance, the myth that the United Nations created Israel is frustratingly widespread. So too is the belief that Israel was established by the world community because of -or even as penance for- the Holocaust. This imbues the creation of Israel with an air of legitimacy, of righting wrongs, and learning from the past. This, of course, is nonsense.
Thank you Roslyn for speaking so much truth. It should also be added that it has now been found that the Ashkenazi Jews in general and those who colonized Palestine ("Israel") as Zionists are genetically between 40 - 60% European.
These are EUROPEAN colonists using the false perpetually useful narrative of Jewish "victimhood" for the purposes of especially UK/US EMPIRE and all the banks and corporate entities that includes. Theft of land and resources, esp OIL, the exploding and vastly lucrative business of producing and selling weapons of death and destruction and increasingly worldwide surveillance. Staggering PROFIT at any human, animal, plant and environmental cost.
As someone said, this is truly out of control criminal insanity. Ordinary, normal Jews around the world need to see the danger in staying silent and stand up and denounce nationalist Zionism. Any feelings of "tribal" loyalty is false because Zionists are not tribal, Jewish or otherwise. They are brutal conscienceless colonial proxies of Empire as they were put there to be.
The fact is every Jew on earth could be identified as having some Semitic ancestors but it would be irrelevant. Religions do not get rights to land or homelands and that includes Jews.
You are not exactly correct RR - not every Jewish person has Semitic ancestors - see above...In fact the Ashkenazim way back were converts - check out Shlomo SAND's book on the creation of Jews...
I do not believe I have ever said all Jews have Semitic ancestors, indeed, quite the opposite. If I have said something which suggests it then please direct me to it and I will make a correction.
The simple reality is that modern genetics says with trivial differences between what we once called races, there are no races and so there are no Semites. Indeed, with every human alive today descended from the same relatively small group of distant ancestors, it is all irrelevant since we are all descended from the same humans.
This was what I read: immediately preceding my response: "The fact is every Jew on earth could be identified as having some Semitic ancestors but it would be irrelevant. Religions do not get rights to land or homelands and that includes Jews." That's what I was responding to. The fact that Ashkenazim are converts from north-eastern Europe - and further east - means they do NOT have any ancient Semitic ancestry. Over to you... (Generally speaking Roslyn Ross - I like your writing etc - I'm just pointing out this particular comment which gave me a bit of a shock...) Jim
Terrorist groups like the irgun and likud? The ones that brought terrorism to West Asia by bombing the King David Hotel, murdering Palestinians, Jews, and British colonizing officers? Those terrorist groups?
Remember, any violence committed by the Palestinian Resistance, which includes Hamas is done to fight occupation.
The same applies to Hezbollah which did not exist until Israel invaded and occupied part of Lebanon and still does, Shebaa Farms.
ALL VIOLENCE COMMITTED BY ISRAEL IS DONE TO MAINTAIN OCCUPATION AND COLONISATION IN ALL OF PALESTINE AND PARTS OF LEBANON AND SYRIA, USING TERRORISM AGAINST CIVILIANS TO SUBJUGATE.
Well Hamas and Hezbollah are not terrorist groups but by any definition of terrorism, the Jewish groups, Irgun, Hagannah etc., were terrorist groups and deemed to be so in the times. Israel is a terrorist State by the same definition.
Terrorism is where violence is used against civilians for political gains.
Hamas is one of a dozen factions in the Palestinian Resistance and under international law occupied people have the right to take up arms against their occupiers. Ergo, Hamas and the Resistance cannot be terrorists. If they were terrorists then that would say the French and Polish Resistance and the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto taking up arms against the Nazi occupiers were terrorists and that would be ridiculous.
One may condemn the suicide bombing moments in the history of the Palestinian Resistance which did not specifically target military except for the fact that Israeli military sites are all in civilian areas and most Israelis have served in the army, remain reservists in the army or are serving in the army and so are legitimate targets as the occupying military.
Yes, some children were caught up in those attacks, albeit brief moments for the Palestinian Resistance in 77 years, while Israel has actively targeted children for 77 years. The invading Zionist Jews, murdered children, bashed out the brains of babies, raped little girls and committed terrorist atrocities from 1947.
The Israeli army for decades has been breaking into Palestinian homes in the middle of the night, kidnapping children and imprisoning them to terrorise their parents into submission. Read Breaking The Silence, a site set up by ex Israeli soldiers sickened by what they did, what they saw done and what they were ordered to do.
Israel tormenting the Palestinians with sonic booms in the Gaza concentration camp is terrorism.
Israel destroying hospitals, universities, aid centres, schools, farmland is terrorism
Israel bombing Gaza every couple of years from 2005 is terrorism.
Israel demolishing homes for 77 years throughout all of Occupied Palestine is terrorism.
The Apartheid wall is terrorism.
Israeli 24/7 surveillance of Palestinians in their homes is terrorism.
Israeli rape and torture of prisoners, including children is terrorism.
The Palestinian resistance and Hamas, by comparison are saints.
Columbia University historian Rashid Khalidi wrote 'The Hundred Years' War' which is intended for those without any background seeking to "understand" this subject. There's an audio version of his book available on YT at: https://youtu.be/7P9aCj7Qk9U?si=yl_ewg3BZHi9YQDU.
I'd also recommend Oxford Professor Avi SHLAIM's 2023 book Three Worlds: Memoir of an Arab Jew - if Karen is genuinely interersted - or Asa Winstanley's The Weaponising of Anti-Semitism or Antony Lowenstein's book and documentaries The Palestine Laboratory!
Folks responded with excellent factual information so I will add only one thing that would be food for thought and research. If you look at Islamic and non Islamic Arab history, you will find that we are a region that historically never created any sort of weapons (even swords are originally from India). What does that say about Europe with their bombs, nuclear and otherwise, and even China that invented gunpowder?
From what I've read (and I won't by any means claim to have extensively researched this), the Ottomans were pioneers in exploiting gunpowder to develop the best cannons of the time.
The Ottomans indeed originated from the Anatolian plains, but over 600 years the empire came to encompass a vast array of peoples and identities which aren't necessarily mutually exclusive of each other. There were Arabs from the Maghreb, the Levant and Gulf, the myriad of peoples from Balkans to name a few. While the Sultans were indeed from a particular lineage, the nobility, bureaucrats, generals and the likes came from all backgrounds in the Empire. It is important to recognise that the governance models of that time were vastly different from what we see today - where authority is centralised at the state level. Power and authority at that time were decentralised. Governors, military commanders in Bilad-al-Sham, the Hejaz, the Maghreb were largely drawn from local elites because they already had political capital and legitimacy amongst the peoples of those regions.
As far as inventions versus pioneering is concerned, there are plenty of instances where somebody has taken someone else's invention and fine-tuned it, innovated and improved its capabilities. That's precisely what the Ottomans did with Chinese military technology of the time.
While the Arabs themselves may not have necessarily "created" any sorts of weapons, in their own right they too were a formidable military power in the 7th and 8th centuries. The Rashidun Khilafat and the Ummayad Empire that followed it after all were the largest empires of their time.
While I won't claim to speak for you, I think the true spirit of your original comment was to point out the distinction between Eastern empires as compared to European colonial ones, for the latter was uniquely despotic and depraved towards its subjects. While the throne of the Ottoman empire was in Constantinople, by no means was this a metropole in a colonial sense. The Levant, the Maghreb, the Balkans did not exist in subservience to Constantinople. The empire grew in size because it gave the rulers strategic advantages (e.g. control over certain peaks, water bodies etc.), because rulers could collect more taxes and so that their militaries could grow in strength (i.e. a larger population to enlist from). But as I briefly pointed out above, authority itself was largely decentralised, which meant that as long as the peoples did not revolt against the Sultan and paid their taxes, they were left to govern their own affairs, adhere to their own customs, traditions, languages, laws etc. even though they were Ottoman subjects. Take the case of Muslims, where one would be inclined to think that the experience across the empire was largely uniform. What's fascinating is how so many distinct 'forms' of Islam were practiced throughout the empire. These differences weren't limited to theology - i.e. Sunni vs. Shi'a, but also extended different interpretations of Shari'a, different spiritual orientations (e.g. Sufi orders) and so on. At a local level, non-Muslims also generally followed their own laws and customs when it came to various matters.
Europeans on the other hand colonised lands either to strip them of their resources, exploit their labour or drive the indigenous inhabitants out of their lands for their own people to settle. Authority in the colonies was therefore had to be centralised so that it would serve the interest of the metropole, because this ran contrary to the interests and well being of the people who lived there. This is why for example, one of the first steps taken by the Dutch was to standardise law in Malay Archipelago. This enabled them to impose their authority by sidelining local elites, who were the main obstacle at the time to placing the region into economic servitude of the Netherlands.
I'm not sure how much you've been following what's been happening in India, particularly over the last decade. There has been a concerted effort to suggest that the Delhi Sultanate, the Mughals and the various other Muslim kingdoms and principalities were 'outsiders' or 'invaders.' Indeed, the Mughals originate from Samarkhand (Mughal is Persian for Mongol - they were descendants of Genghis Khan and Timur), but over time with this decentralised model of governance they became thoroughly intergrated with the syncretic culture, language, traditions of the subcontinent. The lasting testament of this is the Urdu language, which at its core is Hindustani (Hindvi, Braj Bhashaa, Khadi Bholi and similar dialects spoken around the Gangetic plains) blended with some Persian and a sprinkling of Arabic.
Sadly, it's the import of nationalism from Europe that has played such a fundamental role in disconnecting the peoples of West and South Asia as well as North Africa from their longstanding tradition of pluralism and syncretism. I don't think it's a surprise that the Armenian genocide happened under the authority and direction of the Young Turks.
Zio karen talk exactly like zio karen... Only focus on something that make them look innocent and dismissing any ugly facts about themselves in the initial part of all this madness.
The most generous interpretation of the 'efforts' that the UK, Canada, Australia and the likes are making is that they're desperately trying to recreate the pre-Oct 7th status quo where the Apartheid State was undertaking, in the words of Ilan Pappe, an "incremental genocide".
They sanction some of the so called 'extremists' which is nothing more than a performative empty gesture. Firstly, Smotrich, Ben Gvir aren't the only depraved lunatics in the Apartheid State. It's virtually the entire government and the vast majority of the population that's gleefully partaking in this genocidal frenzy (see: https://zeteo.com/p/its-not-just-netanyahu-a-lot-of-israelis). Secondly, none of these maniacs have any material holdings in any of these countries, nor do they have any real reason to visit. Sanctions, travel bans are therefore meaningless.
The role that they're fulfilling is obfuscation, which provides cover for the Zionists to 'finish the job' of getting rid of every last Palestinian in Gaza while thinning out the population in the West Bank. Canada and Australia are especially well positioned to serve this function because they themselves are highly adept at executing what Patrick Wolfe calls the "logic of elimination".
Yeah like terrorizing & massacring people and STEALING their lands/homes in the name of "God" is ever kind to you? You don't have any right to teach other people about kindness before reflecting on your own self first. Ziokaren..
I don't label people without any proofs...We are not like you who only want to lived in your own illusion. I just fed up with your own double standard.. Your sick illusion has killed too many innocent people in PALESTINE. So don't you dare teach me about being "kind". Your zionist hasbara NEVER worked for me... 🇵🇸.
I always think "beware" when someone poses strange questions and pleads that they "only want to understand" - there are so many other sources you might read - in order to know - not by baiting those who respond to George Hazim's commentary, Karen Chambre
Many religions have been persecuted and some did not survive. There is nothing exceptional about Jews except their religion turned victimhood and persecution into theology and dogma and destroyed their capacity to process suffering in healthy ways.
The glorification of Jewish suffering created a cult of Narcissism, which, within the Israeli State, has morphed into a level of evil which ranks as some of the worst in human history.
In psychological terms Judaism and the State created in its name, Israel, are emotionally and mentally dysfunctional because the culture of the religion and the political movement of Zionism, has prevented them from processing trauma and moving on.
If Israel were an individual it would have been committed to an institution for the criminally insane long ago.
Well fucking call it out then and stop sitting on the fence. it’s clear you prefer to take a position of unjustifiable ignorance where fear dominates your world. Heroism comes in the form of knowledge and speech - doing and saying what others aren’t prepared to do. Blind naivety is just another form of cowardice and cover for your complicity.
The Israeli government’s military campaign in Gaza has not only drawn widespread condemnation for its devastating humanitarian toll but has also placed Jewish communities worldwide in an untenable position. By persistently equating criticism of Israel with antisemitism, the state and its staunch supporters have created a dangerous dynamic in which legitimate political opposition is silenced while genuine anti-Jewish bigotry is cynically instrumentalized. This conflation does not serve Jewish safety—it endangers it.
One of the most disturbing consequences is the growing hostility faced by Jewish individuals abroad, regardless of their actual stance on Israel. Those who remain silent risk being lumped together with the Israeli state’s actions, while those who vocally defend its policies further reinforce the perception that Jewish identity and Zionism are inseparable. This false linkage plays directly into the hands of both the Israeli government and actual antisemites, who thrive on the narrative that Jews everywhere bear responsibility for Israel’s conduct.
Yet this crisis also presents an opportunity—and an urgent imperative—for Jews in the diaspora to challenge this damaging conflation. While many have long criticized Israel’s policies, the current moment demands broader, louder dissent. Staying silent is no longer neutral; it enables the assumption that Jewish communities universally endorse or excuse Israel’s actions. Organized Jewish opposition to the war, occupation, and apartheid policies would not only help reclaim the distinction between Judaism and Zionism but also weaken the weaponization of antisemitism as a shield for state violence.
The reality is that Israel’s conduct is not just a threat to Palestinians—it is a self-inflicted crisis for Jewish people globally. The more the state claims to act in the name of all Jews, the more it fuels backlash against them. Breaking this cycle requires Jewish communities to actively, publicly reject the idea that Israel speaks for them. Otherwise, they remain trapped in a narrative where their safety is held hostage to a government whose actions they may not support. The path forward must include both solidarity with Palestinian liberation and an insistence that Jewish identity cannot be reduced to a political allegiance—least of all to a state committing atrocities in their name.
Brilliant summation Luis. The con Zionism has enacted for decades to brainwash people into believing Zionism and Judaism are one, not only endangers true Jewish values and reputation for what Judaist Jews stand for and represent along with their humanity, but sees them having to suffer because of the evil perpetrated by Zionism and its opportunism to exploit the sympathy and guilt the world has endured because of Hitler's depravity. What the international community must wake up to is Zionism is a cancer of evil and inhumanity.
Great analysis - I agree - the Zionists need to be eliminated by the Jews themselves. Any group with a radical minority is a danger until that minority is eliminated. But very few Jews are prepared to speak out against a tribe that is now led and controlled by Zionists. All Jews now have a problem because they allowed the Zionist minority to take command of the tribe….,
In Australia since last year the Jewish Council of Australia (some 600+ members - many prominent persons) has spoken up against the genocide etc in Gaza, in Palestine - and against the Zionist lobbies (and Mossad operatives in Australia).
It’s not getting reported or getting airplay because the Jewish Council is essentially Zionist……they do not have clean hands and routinely finger politicians and shout down criticism of Israel….perhaps they need to be vocally critical of Israel???
I am not sure Glenn that you and I are speaking of the same Jewish Council of Australia - the JCA I am referencing is anti-Zionist and pro-Palestinian! You must be referring to one or other of the Zionist lobbies!
From the Zionist perspective, endangering Jews is a feature, not a bug.
It forces wavering Jews to pick a side, and it provides a pretext for special rights.
They conflated all Palestinians with Hamas who they demonized as terrorists when they were/are actually freedom fighters. So it’s only karma that all 🧃 are stigmatized by the actions of israelis, given israel is a jewi$h ethnostate. Moreover, isreali jewi$h actions over the past 75+ years have been abhorrent. No sugar coating now that the world sees the truth. They all aided, abetted and tacitly supported that evil state.
Facts...
It is not possible to ignore the reality, and only fools try, that for 77 years most Jews, including Australian Jews, have supported, promoted, enabled and funded Zionist Israel ignoring its atrocities, war crimes and genocidal ethnic cleansing, both in its foundation and beyond.
If a State claiming to represent Islam and all Muslims on earth, was doing what Israel is doing and most Australian Muslims had supported that, then they too would be targeted. Same for Hindus, Christians or any religion.
Many Australian Jews, possibly most, have not only funded the bestial savagery and sadistic cruelty of Israel's foundation and function, they have sent their children on Jew camps both in what is called Israel and in Occupied Palestine and betrayed every principle of justice, rule of law, democracy, human rights and common human decency.
Israel is a disaster and it has always been a disaster and Jews have no-one to blame but themselves for now reaping the gory and barbaric harvest they helped to sow. I have sympathy for the Jews who have always condemned Israel but they are a small minority and are no doubt comforted by the fact that their courage and integrity are recognised.
Why any sane Jew would ever allow Israel to get away with claiming it represents them and their religion is the real question.
That's because Imbecilesije yourself play dumb when you really are duplicitous and conniving .
Spot on again Gypsy!!!😊😊😊
Zionists love antisemitism, they need antisemitism as a pretext for special pleading and double standards.
💯 hit the nail on the head
Thank you for the kind words. Got any Greenies?
Chirrup!
Judaism and Zionism are mutually antagonistic. For any REAL Jew, Israel is an abomination and blasphemous while Zionism, which seeks to destroy religion, is inherently anti-Semitic.
This the best delineation of the problems created by the bizarre conflating of Anti-Semitism, Israel, Jewish faith and Zionism. And you are right - Frydenberg, Sussssan Ley and the Southwick chap are so ignorant as to forfeit any legitimacy in speaking for Australia - with Albanese, Wong and others not too far behind - alas! It proves yet again that being elected does not equate to being knowledgeable - merely, in many cases, to being easily manipulated - by shadowy groups such as the Zionist lobbies - endangering us all
The Zionist state of Israel, the genocide, ethnic cleansing, war crimes and crimes against humanity, non compliance with the UN Charter and basic human dignity and decency are the reasons WORLD CITIZENS so vehemently are disgusted with the behavior and the complete lack of acknowledgment from so called western civilization.
We are not anti semites nor jihadist. We are witnesses to these deplorable crimes.
So, the problem is Zionism. Wake the f@&k up!
They’re victims, remember the holocaust in gaza
Clearly it is the Zionist state of Israel that is the greatest antisemitic threat by far to the safety, security and welfare of Jews! All that Netanyahu and his cohorts stand for is not Jewish life, but power, supremacy and territory, and at any cost. And those politicians who bend, twist and grovel in order to serve Israel are nothing but moral contortionists!
Time for a little update in how we talk about the relation of zionism and Judaism. It's no longer enough to just state the fact that anti zionism does not equal anti Judaism. It is time to clearly state that zionism IS anti Judaism.
It’s time Jews got off their arses and exterminated the Zionist because they are giving all Jews a bad reputation. Non-Zionist Jews need to get out in support of Palestinians and start criticising Netanyahu and Zionist sympathiser Trump and all the other suck holes like Albanese , Carney and Starmer (and all the rest)!
Oh crap; enuf with Chewish exceptionalism, special treatment! ENUF! All foolish sympathy beginning with the myths of THEIR WW2! 🤬
Being Jewish is voluntary. Anyone can walk away at any time.
1. Hamas or Hizbullah is not a terrorist.
2. Zionist is the only terrorist both in the Palestine and Lebanon.
You cant keep gashlighting the people that resist your brutal occupation just by simply labelling them as terrorist and pretend to be amnesia about what you have done to them🤷♂️🤦♀️. It's already expired, zionist. Wake up from your Illusion.
The excuse that Jews needed a safe place after the Nazis was always an excuse and a lie. The Zionists used that excuse and that lie to drag the gullible, Jews and non-Jews, along with their genocidal plans to colonise Palestine and to exterminate non-Jews, which was and is most Palestinians because they are Muslim and Christian.
It is irrelevant how some, many, Jews suffered in Europe in WWII because none of it justifies them doing worse to the Palestinians. It is also forgotten that most Jews, even in WWII, including in some parts of Europe, were NEVER at threat from the Nazis and a safe place for Jews was never needed and was the greater lie than, a country without people for people without a country.
The first plans to colonise Palestine with Jews were formed in the 1830's, a century before the Nazis. Zionism was invented in 1897 and was advertising worldwide for Jews to come and colonise Palestine, using the words COLONISE AND PALESTINE. It had nothing to do with the Nazis who merely served a very useful propaganda purpose, as some Zionists have admitted.
The Zionists actively worked NOT to save Jews because they realised the more dead Jews there were, the better it was for their colonising business. It is a clearly stated fact that they refused to allow Jewish children to leave Germany for Britain where they would be safe and that the only Jews they would support were those who went to Palestine.
EVEN AFTER WWII MOST EUROPEAN JEWS DID NOT GO TO PALESTINE AS COLONISTS. They were the smart ones.
Quote: From the very onset of Zionist colonialism in Palestine, enormous efforts were undertaken to control the telling of the story. A new grand narrative was created, one which lionized the settlers and demonized the Palestinian natives -that is, if the Palestinians were even acknowledged. Like all foundational mythologies, it was half-baked, contradictory, and twisted the truth to the point of breaking it many times over. Consequently, many misunderstandings surrounding the establishment of Israel are common to this day.
For instance, the myth that the United Nations created Israel is frustratingly widespread. So too is the belief that Israel was established by the world community because of -or even as penance for- the Holocaust. This imbues the creation of Israel with an air of legitimacy, of righting wrongs, and learning from the past. This, of course, is nonsense.
https://decolonizepalestine.com/myth/israel-penance-for-holocaust/
Thank you Roslyn for speaking so much truth. It should also be added that it has now been found that the Ashkenazi Jews in general and those who colonized Palestine ("Israel") as Zionists are genetically between 40 - 60% European.
These are EUROPEAN colonists using the false perpetually useful narrative of Jewish "victimhood" for the purposes of especially UK/US EMPIRE and all the banks and corporate entities that includes. Theft of land and resources, esp OIL, the exploding and vastly lucrative business of producing and selling weapons of death and destruction and increasingly worldwide surveillance. Staggering PROFIT at any human, animal, plant and environmental cost.
As someone said, this is truly out of control criminal insanity. Ordinary, normal Jews around the world need to see the danger in staying silent and stand up and denounce nationalist Zionism. Any feelings of "tribal" loyalty is false because Zionists are not tribal, Jewish or otherwise. They are brutal conscienceless colonial proxies of Empire as they were put there to be.
The fact is every Jew on earth could be identified as having some Semitic ancestors but it would be irrelevant. Religions do not get rights to land or homelands and that includes Jews.
You are not exactly correct RR - not every Jewish person has Semitic ancestors - see above...In fact the Ashkenazim way back were converts - check out Shlomo SAND's book on the creation of Jews...
I do not believe I have ever said all Jews have Semitic ancestors, indeed, quite the opposite. If I have said something which suggests it then please direct me to it and I will make a correction.
The simple reality is that modern genetics says with trivial differences between what we once called races, there are no races and so there are no Semites. Indeed, with every human alive today descended from the same relatively small group of distant ancestors, it is all irrelevant since we are all descended from the same humans.
This was what I read: immediately preceding my response: "The fact is every Jew on earth could be identified as having some Semitic ancestors but it would be irrelevant. Religions do not get rights to land or homelands and that includes Jews." That's what I was responding to. The fact that Ashkenazim are converts from north-eastern Europe - and further east - means they do NOT have any ancient Semitic ancestry. Over to you... (Generally speaking Roslyn Ross - I like your writing etc - I'm just pointing out this particular comment which gave me a bit of a shock...) Jim
Roslyn dropping facts! 👏
Terrorist groups like the irgun and likud? The ones that brought terrorism to West Asia by bombing the King David Hotel, murdering Palestinians, Jews, and British colonizing officers? Those terrorist groups?
Remember, any violence committed by the Palestinian Resistance, which includes Hamas is done to fight occupation.
The same applies to Hezbollah which did not exist until Israel invaded and occupied part of Lebanon and still does, Shebaa Farms.
ALL VIOLENCE COMMITTED BY ISRAEL IS DONE TO MAINTAIN OCCUPATION AND COLONISATION IN ALL OF PALESTINE AND PARTS OF LEBANON AND SYRIA, USING TERRORISM AGAINST CIVILIANS TO SUBJUGATE.
Facts.
Well Hamas and Hezbollah are not terrorist groups but by any definition of terrorism, the Jewish groups, Irgun, Hagannah etc., were terrorist groups and deemed to be so in the times. Israel is a terrorist State by the same definition.
Terrorism is where violence is used against civilians for political gains.
Hamas is one of a dozen factions in the Palestinian Resistance and under international law occupied people have the right to take up arms against their occupiers. Ergo, Hamas and the Resistance cannot be terrorists. If they were terrorists then that would say the French and Polish Resistance and the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto taking up arms against the Nazi occupiers were terrorists and that would be ridiculous.
One may condemn the suicide bombing moments in the history of the Palestinian Resistance which did not specifically target military except for the fact that Israeli military sites are all in civilian areas and most Israelis have served in the army, remain reservists in the army or are serving in the army and so are legitimate targets as the occupying military.
Yes, some children were caught up in those attacks, albeit brief moments for the Palestinian Resistance in 77 years, while Israel has actively targeted children for 77 years. The invading Zionist Jews, murdered children, bashed out the brains of babies, raped little girls and committed terrorist atrocities from 1947.
The Israeli army for decades has been breaking into Palestinian homes in the middle of the night, kidnapping children and imprisoning them to terrorise their parents into submission. Read Breaking The Silence, a site set up by ex Israeli soldiers sickened by what they did, what they saw done and what they were ordered to do.
Israel tormenting the Palestinians with sonic booms in the Gaza concentration camp is terrorism.
Israel destroying hospitals, universities, aid centres, schools, farmland is terrorism
Israel bombing Gaza every couple of years from 2005 is terrorism.
Israel demolishing homes for 77 years throughout all of Occupied Palestine is terrorism.
The Apartheid wall is terrorism.
Israeli 24/7 surveillance of Palestinians in their homes is terrorism.
Israeli rape and torture of prisoners, including children is terrorism.
The Palestinian resistance and Hamas, by comparison are saints.
Perfect factual response.
Hi Karen,
Columbia University historian Rashid Khalidi wrote 'The Hundred Years' War' which is intended for those without any background seeking to "understand" this subject. There's an audio version of his book available on YT at: https://youtu.be/7P9aCj7Qk9U?si=yl_ewg3BZHi9YQDU.
Another primer on the topic is University of Exeter historian Ilan Pappe recent book 'A Very Short History of the Israel-Palestine Conflict' which can be purchased online for $10 at: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/213877810-a-very-short-history-of-the-israel-palestine-conflict.
The one thing you'll conclude after reading (listening) to either (both) book(s) is this isn't all that "complicated."
I'd also recommend Oxford Professor Avi SHLAIM's 2023 book Three Worlds: Memoir of an Arab Jew - if Karen is genuinely interersted - or Asa Winstanley's The Weaponising of Anti-Semitism or Antony Lowenstein's book and documentaries The Palestine Laboratory!
All great recommendations that add even more layers and context to expose how Zionism is such an affront on so many levels.
Folks responded with excellent factual information so I will add only one thing that would be food for thought and research. If you look at Islamic and non Islamic Arab history, you will find that we are a region that historically never created any sort of weapons (even swords are originally from India). What does that say about Europe with their bombs, nuclear and otherwise, and even China that invented gunpowder?
From what I've read (and I won't by any means claim to have extensively researched this), the Ottomans were pioneers in exploiting gunpowder to develop the best cannons of the time.
Turks aren't Arab. Oh and also cannons were a Chinese invention. My point stands.
The Ottomans indeed originated from the Anatolian plains, but over 600 years the empire came to encompass a vast array of peoples and identities which aren't necessarily mutually exclusive of each other. There were Arabs from the Maghreb, the Levant and Gulf, the myriad of peoples from Balkans to name a few. While the Sultans were indeed from a particular lineage, the nobility, bureaucrats, generals and the likes came from all backgrounds in the Empire. It is important to recognise that the governance models of that time were vastly different from what we see today - where authority is centralised at the state level. Power and authority at that time were decentralised. Governors, military commanders in Bilad-al-Sham, the Hejaz, the Maghreb were largely drawn from local elites because they already had political capital and legitimacy amongst the peoples of those regions.
As far as inventions versus pioneering is concerned, there are plenty of instances where somebody has taken someone else's invention and fine-tuned it, innovated and improved its capabilities. That's precisely what the Ottomans did with Chinese military technology of the time.
While the Arabs themselves may not have necessarily "created" any sorts of weapons, in their own right they too were a formidable military power in the 7th and 8th centuries. The Rashidun Khilafat and the Ummayad Empire that followed it after all were the largest empires of their time.
While I won't claim to speak for you, I think the true spirit of your original comment was to point out the distinction between Eastern empires as compared to European colonial ones, for the latter was uniquely despotic and depraved towards its subjects. While the throne of the Ottoman empire was in Constantinople, by no means was this a metropole in a colonial sense. The Levant, the Maghreb, the Balkans did not exist in subservience to Constantinople. The empire grew in size because it gave the rulers strategic advantages (e.g. control over certain peaks, water bodies etc.), because rulers could collect more taxes and so that their militaries could grow in strength (i.e. a larger population to enlist from). But as I briefly pointed out above, authority itself was largely decentralised, which meant that as long as the peoples did not revolt against the Sultan and paid their taxes, they were left to govern their own affairs, adhere to their own customs, traditions, languages, laws etc. even though they were Ottoman subjects. Take the case of Muslims, where one would be inclined to think that the experience across the empire was largely uniform. What's fascinating is how so many distinct 'forms' of Islam were practiced throughout the empire. These differences weren't limited to theology - i.e. Sunni vs. Shi'a, but also extended different interpretations of Shari'a, different spiritual orientations (e.g. Sufi orders) and so on. At a local level, non-Muslims also generally followed their own laws and customs when it came to various matters.
Europeans on the other hand colonised lands either to strip them of their resources, exploit their labour or drive the indigenous inhabitants out of their lands for their own people to settle. Authority in the colonies was therefore had to be centralised so that it would serve the interest of the metropole, because this ran contrary to the interests and well being of the people who lived there. This is why for example, one of the first steps taken by the Dutch was to standardise law in Malay Archipelago. This enabled them to impose their authority by sidelining local elites, who were the main obstacle at the time to placing the region into economic servitude of the Netherlands.
I'm not sure how much you've been following what's been happening in India, particularly over the last decade. There has been a concerted effort to suggest that the Delhi Sultanate, the Mughals and the various other Muslim kingdoms and principalities were 'outsiders' or 'invaders.' Indeed, the Mughals originate from Samarkhand (Mughal is Persian for Mongol - they were descendants of Genghis Khan and Timur), but over time with this decentralised model of governance they became thoroughly intergrated with the syncretic culture, language, traditions of the subcontinent. The lasting testament of this is the Urdu language, which at its core is Hindustani (Hindvi, Braj Bhashaa, Khadi Bholi and similar dialects spoken around the Gangetic plains) blended with some Persian and a sprinkling of Arabic.
Sadly, it's the import of nationalism from Europe that has played such a fundamental role in disconnecting the peoples of West and South Asia as well as North Africa from their longstanding tradition of pluralism and syncretism. I don't think it's a surprise that the Armenian genocide happened under the authority and direction of the Young Turks.
Zionist detected.
Eww.
One does not have to go past Zionists as terrorists - aided by Shin Bet and Mossad...
Zio karen talk exactly like zio karen... Only focus on something that make them look innocent and dismissing any ugly facts about themselves in the initial part of all this madness.
Really - please advise the effort Australia’s leadership is trying to make to understand.
The most generous interpretation of the 'efforts' that the UK, Canada, Australia and the likes are making is that they're desperately trying to recreate the pre-Oct 7th status quo where the Apartheid State was undertaking, in the words of Ilan Pappe, an "incremental genocide".
They sanction some of the so called 'extremists' which is nothing more than a performative empty gesture. Firstly, Smotrich, Ben Gvir aren't the only depraved lunatics in the Apartheid State. It's virtually the entire government and the vast majority of the population that's gleefully partaking in this genocidal frenzy (see: https://zeteo.com/p/its-not-just-netanyahu-a-lot-of-israelis). Secondly, none of these maniacs have any material holdings in any of these countries, nor do they have any real reason to visit. Sanctions, travel bans are therefore meaningless.
The role that they're fulfilling is obfuscation, which provides cover for the Zionists to 'finish the job' of getting rid of every last Palestinian in Gaza while thinning out the population in the West Bank. Canada and Australia are especially well positioned to serve this function because they themselves are highly adept at executing what Patrick Wolfe calls the "logic of elimination".
In the case of our government, this was made unequivocally clear after Carney called for a "Zionist Palestine" (see: https://canadianmuslimpac.ca/2025/06/29/cmpac-commentary-on-prime-minister-carneysremarks-on-zionist-palestine-and-iran/).
Yeah it's only complicated for the Perpetrators like you and your people.. Not us... ✌
Yeah like terrorizing & massacring people and STEALING their lands/homes in the name of "God" is ever kind to you? You don't have any right to teach other people about kindness before reflecting on your own self first. Ziokaren..
I don't label people without any proofs...We are not like you who only want to lived in your own illusion. I just fed up with your own double standard.. Your sick illusion has killed too many innocent people in PALESTINE. So don't you dare teach me about being "kind". Your zionist hasbara NEVER worked for me... 🇵🇸.
I always think "beware" when someone poses strange questions and pleads that they "only want to understand" - there are so many other sources you might read - in order to know - not by baiting those who respond to George Hazim's commentary, Karen Chambre
Many religions have been persecuted and some did not survive. There is nothing exceptional about Jews except their religion turned victimhood and persecution into theology and dogma and destroyed their capacity to process suffering in healthy ways.
The glorification of Jewish suffering created a cult of Narcissism, which, within the Israeli State, has morphed into a level of evil which ranks as some of the worst in human history.
In psychological terms Judaism and the State created in its name, Israel, are emotionally and mentally dysfunctional because the culture of the religion and the political movement of Zionism, has prevented them from processing trauma and moving on.
If Israel were an individual it would have been committed to an institution for the criminally insane long ago.
Stop spewing your zionist propaganda here zionist. This is not the place to fool people with your zionist narratives..
Well fucking call it out then and stop sitting on the fence. it’s clear you prefer to take a position of unjustifiable ignorance where fear dominates your world. Heroism comes in the form of knowledge and speech - doing and saying what others aren’t prepared to do. Blind naivety is just another form of cowardice and cover for your complicity.