It is good news. Unfortunately the Israelis are certifiably insane and incapable of living in peace with anyone and that is why Zionist Israel must be dismantled, Zionism banned and Palestine free in its entirety.
Ok, so you are a protagonist for genocide, much the same as the psychopathic murderous death cults, Hamas. You're also an utter ignoramus, incapable of operating those things the more intelligent members of the human race refer to as "a history book".
Grow up, go and see a psychologist and get some help, you are indeed a sick individual.
I agree with Roslyn Ross. So that makes me a murderous psychopathic ignoramus as well? I guess if you've been brainwashed to live in a black and white world, with no in-between, it does.
I support the sanctity of human life and I am against all war criminals. I don't believe in the summary execution of woman and children, or torture. I believe everyone should have a right to due process, and justice is not served when you slaughter 50,000+ people for a few hundred of your own, and pretend you are not supporting an obvious, mass murdering ethnic cleansing campaign. One war crime does not justify another.
If you condemn the Palestinian Resistance/Hamas for October 7 then you are also condemning the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto and the French and Polish Resistance. Is that really your position?
Under international law the Palestinians have every right to fight their evil colonial rulers and occupiers and the Israelis have no right to stop them.
October 7 was a valid revolt by the Palestinians against their truly evil and savage colonial rulers and most of the bullshit about atrocities they were said to have committed, sourced in the ultimate liars, the shitraelis, have been debunked.
The Palestinians had every right to take military hostages and to hold them. After all Israel has more than 10,000 hostages in its prisons, hundreds of them children, whom it rapes and tortures. One could argue the Shitraelis hold 6 million, LET ME REPEAT, SIX MILLION PALESTINIANS HOSTAGE under their bestial military colonial occupation.
The number of military hostages the Palestinian Resistance holds are trivial by comparison and legitimate in ways Israel's hostages are not.
Israel occupies Palestine, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. The Palestinian Resistance which includes Hamas exists because the Israelis have inflicted one of the most sadistically cruel and bestially savage military colonial occupations in all of human history. The Palestinians have suffered for nearly a century at the hands of the Zio thugs and have finally decided, as did the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto, to die on their feet instead of their knees.
The Israelis have murdered, on purpose, more children in any conflict in history. And you support that. Shame on you.
Nothing the Palestinian Resistance or Hamas has ever done comes close to the atrocities committed by Zionists, Israelis and Jews. In fact at this point the Shitraelis even outrank the Nazis for atrocities and venal, savage, bestial slaughter.
How about you disprove that Zionists and Jews invaded Palestine in 1947/48 and set up their own State?
Or disprove that in 1947/48 there were countless massacres of men, women and children - start with Deir Yassin - and 530 Palestinian villages and towns were wiped from the face of the earth and close to a million Palestinians driven out. You can find a lot of that information on the Israeli newspaper site, Haaretz and also from Israeli historians.
Then disprove that Israel occupies all of Palestine and refuses justice, freedom and human and civil rights to 6 million Palestinians. You might like to read Amira Hass in Haaretz talking about the fact that Israel ISSUES AN ID CARD TO EVERY SINGLE PALESTINIAN INCLUDING THOSE IN THE GAZA PRISON. Now, if the Palestinians had any independence why is Israel processing ID cards for them?
Over to you. Disprove just one and demonstrate it is a delusional construct.
Andy W. Your comment is a instance of argumentum ad hominem, which deserves the response "fuck off", which is I admit an instance of argumentum ad baculum
Since I am opposing Shitrael and its sicko slaughter I am patently not a protagonist for genocide.
And, having studied the history of the Middle East and ancient Palestine as well as Zionism invented in 1897 and Israel invented in 1948 in genocidal slaughter, rape, torture, murder and theft, I am dealing in facts. you should try it.
Long overdue, nevertheless = welcome news though I'd like to see at least one step further and our government make a solid public condemnation of Israel's ethnic cleansing.
I too want to believe that Australia, after leaning in the direction of a police state, has had a great awakening and this action is as altruistic as it sounds. But the cynic in me, or maybe the observer, wonders if they see the tide turning and want to be in line to help exploit or at least patronize the massive gas and shipping opportunities that Gaza and its Arab allies will control if the power continues to shift.
I am very surprised by this decision, and I hope other countries break ranks with the USA and UK..
<< Wong’s office clarified Australia sees Israel’s behaviour as a threat to stability in the Middle East, diminishing any prospect for peace and undermines the two-state solution, which remains the aim of many Western countries. >> Gee, ya' think? It is long overdue that ALL nations denounce the genocide!
It's a small but important step in the right direction. One can't help but think the US election result factors greatly into this decision. Firstly as the Labor Government may wish to distance itself from the incoming Trump Administration, despite the fact that US policy on Israel has been virtually the same regardless of whether Democrats or Republicans are in power. Now Trump has selected his hawkish, far-right, pro-Israel neocon cabinet indicating that the US-Israeli genocide of Palestine and Lebanon is likely to get much worse.
Secondly, with the federal election looming in 2025, the Labor Party must consider its base which largely supports Palestine despite the pro-Israel stance of much of the party leadership, as was the case with the Democratic Party. Having seen the failure of the Democrats in the US elections and recognising how crucial the Palestinian issue was in this failure, the Albanese Government seems to be shifting its stances at the very least for self preservation and re-election.
No, what happened was that Trump got elected, which made it safe again for the stalwart upholders of Muh Rules Based International Order(R) to pretend to care about human rights, especially since doing so was now seen as damaging Trump, as opposed to an Obama or Biden.
Being Australian, and living in Canterbury-Bankstown, my view of this is cynical, to put it mildly. The Labor government is so desperate to find “the centre”, on just about everything, that they always strive for a middle ground that pleases “both sides”. Problem is, there is no middle ground on genocide. And, on every other issue, the middle ground either pleases no-one or just results in a continuation of the same neoliberal policies as the previous neoliberal government. The Muslim community around here is seriously pissed off, an election is due within 6 months, and the government faces potentially losing some safe Labor seats they have taken for granted for years. So I see this as a duplicitous crab-walk towards some symbolic actions, to give the impression that they give a shit, without risking actually doing anything that would upset the Yanks or the Zionist media. When I hear the foreign minister actually use the word “genocide” I’ll believe they have moved. Until then, it’s a fart in a bottle.
I agree. I think the Australian Labor Gov want to be seen to be ‘on the right side of history’ when they lose the election next year. Deputy Opposition Leader Sussan Ley on TV today, naturally disagreeing with Labor’s vote at UN. Coalition wouldn’t make that call being even more pathetically attached at the hip to the US even when indisputable genocide is staring them in the face.
They do this after the every building in Palestine has been reduced to rubble. Many of these buildings burying bodies of thousands of innocent children, men and women. Many as I write this (and as you read this) are burying people alive, starving, dehydrated, suffocating and crushing them to death.
While the rest of the population shelter in tents, but not actually tents,salvaged fabric hooked up on twigs. Makeshift tents the Israeli airforce bomb, burning more kids and adults alive.
So now, now this is effectively over the Australian government grow some balls.
Too fucking late. Can you bring back the dead kids? will you help rebuild the country for the few that are left? Do you think America will help you? Or will you watch as American companies move in the build waterfront apartments for more Israelis to live in (which by the way, has already begun in some areas).
The Albanese Government have been spineless. A guy who hung out with Billy Bragg, lived in Sydney’s Hipsterville (but now lives in Millionaire Central Coast home. Yeah, nah.
All he’s done is allow the murder of some of the most tormented, abused and marginalised people in the world. Whilst in Australia, being such hopelessly incompetent PM, his only achievement has been to increase the likelihood of the organised psychopaths (the liberals and nationals) to have a far better chance of winning the next election.
Bravo Labour.
The best thing Albo can do is fuck off now. Learn from Joe Biden, step down now and not leave it so late it costs your entire party an election loss.
I should think the clapped out former empire with a megacasino in London, known as the "UK" or even more ludicrously as "Great Britain" will continue unapologetically backing the Zionists, genocide, ethnic cleansing, land theft and wanton murder, rape and terror, while smearing and not infrequently arresting people as antisemites when they are anti-Zionists (recently a veteran Jewish anti-Zionist protester was arrested outside the Israeli embassy - he's in his 80s and being treated for cancer every day with radiotherapy and medication that the police withheld from him for several hours later than when it should have been taken. He was released the following morning without charge). But congratulations to Australia for standing up for what's right and rejoining humanity.
Very good news from Australia, finally coming down on the right side. George you touched on an issue, statehood, that Einstein and I think Hannah Arendt too did. He advocated against statehood for Israel, but for a home of sorts, and referenced an offer by then Soviet Russia to give the Jews a homeland in Birobidjan, apparently a region of Russia.
It is good news. Unfortunately the Israelis are certifiably insane and incapable of living in peace with anyone and that is why Zionist Israel must be dismantled, Zionism banned and Palestine free in its entirety.
Ok, so you are a protagonist for genocide, much the same as the psychopathic murderous death cults, Hamas. You're also an utter ignoramus, incapable of operating those things the more intelligent members of the human race refer to as "a history book".
Grow up, go and see a psychologist and get some help, you are indeed a sick individual.
I agree with Roslyn Ross. So that makes me a murderous psychopathic ignoramus as well? I guess if you've been brainwashed to live in a black and white world, with no in-between, it does.
If you support Hamas, afraid so.
I support the sanctity of human life and I am against all war criminals. I don't believe in the summary execution of woman and children, or torture. I believe everyone should have a right to due process, and justice is not served when you slaughter 50,000+ people for a few hundred of your own, and pretend you are not supporting an obvious, mass murdering ethnic cleansing campaign. One war crime does not justify another.
So you condemn Hamas's actions of October 7th, 2023 and their ongoing incarceration of 101 Israeli hostages?
Do you condemn the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising? Do you condemn Nat Truner?
Yes I do. But that doesn't justify your support of a genocide Andy. Or human torture - that is your own perverted, brainwashed reasoning.
If you condemn the Palestinian Resistance/Hamas for October 7 then you are also condemning the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto and the French and Polish Resistance. Is that really your position?
Under international law the Palestinians have every right to fight their evil colonial rulers and occupiers and the Israelis have no right to stop them.
October 7 was a valid revolt by the Palestinians against their truly evil and savage colonial rulers and most of the bullshit about atrocities they were said to have committed, sourced in the ultimate liars, the shitraelis, have been debunked.
The Palestinians had every right to take military hostages and to hold them. After all Israel has more than 10,000 hostages in its prisons, hundreds of them children, whom it rapes and tortures. One could argue the Shitraelis hold 6 million, LET ME REPEAT, SIX MILLION PALESTINIANS HOSTAGE under their bestial military colonial occupation.
The number of military hostages the Palestinian Resistance holds are trivial by comparison and legitimate in ways Israel's hostages are not.
Let us remain in the realms of sanity.
Israel occupies Palestine, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. The Palestinian Resistance which includes Hamas exists because the Israelis have inflicted one of the most sadistically cruel and bestially savage military colonial occupations in all of human history. The Palestinians have suffered for nearly a century at the hands of the Zio thugs and have finally decided, as did the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto, to die on their feet instead of their knees.
The Israelis have murdered, on purpose, more children in any conflict in history. And you support that. Shame on you.
Nothing the Palestinian Resistance or Hamas has ever done comes close to the atrocities committed by Zionists, Israelis and Jews. In fact at this point the Shitraelis even outrank the Nazis for atrocities and venal, savage, bestial slaughter.
Perhaps take your own advice. You've well and truly dived head first down the rabbit hole of delusional construct reality..
There is something truly pathetic about people who resort to insults, name-calling and abuse and who never make a case.
Take one thing I have said and disprove it.
How about you disprove that Zionists and Jews invaded Palestine in 1947/48 and set up their own State?
Or disprove that in 1947/48 there were countless massacres of men, women and children - start with Deir Yassin - and 530 Palestinian villages and towns were wiped from the face of the earth and close to a million Palestinians driven out. You can find a lot of that information on the Israeli newspaper site, Haaretz and also from Israeli historians.
Then disprove that Israel occupies all of Palestine and refuses justice, freedom and human and civil rights to 6 million Palestinians. You might like to read Amira Hass in Haaretz talking about the fact that Israel ISSUES AN ID CARD TO EVERY SINGLE PALESTINIAN INCLUDING THOSE IN THE GAZA PRISON. Now, if the Palestinians had any independence why is Israel processing ID cards for them?
Over to you. Disprove just one and demonstrate it is a delusional construct.
Andy W. Your comment is a instance of argumentum ad hominem, which deserves the response "fuck off", which is I admit an instance of argumentum ad baculum
Since I am opposing Shitrael and its sicko slaughter I am patently not a protagonist for genocide.
And, having studied the history of the Middle East and ancient Palestine as well as Zionism invented in 1897 and Israel invented in 1948 in genocidal slaughter, rape, torture, murder and theft, I am dealing in facts. you should try it.
Thank you Heather. It is excellent news.
Long overdue, nevertheless = welcome news though I'd like to see at least one step further and our government make a solid public condemnation of Israel's ethnic cleansing.
Couldn’t agree more Roger, I’m sure that will come in due course. This is a major step.
Seems a bit over optimistic based on this one vote, especially after the shameless non vote in sept but pray that you are right 🙏
It may sound so Sam and I also don’t disagree, but we also can’t abandon hope!
I too want to believe that Australia, after leaning in the direction of a police state, has had a great awakening and this action is as altruistic as it sounds. But the cynic in me, or maybe the observer, wonders if they see the tide turning and want to be in line to help exploit or at least patronize the massive gas and shipping opportunities that Gaza and its Arab allies will control if the power continues to shift.
I'd like to think the tide is turning.
I am very surprised by this decision, and I hope other countries break ranks with the USA and UK..
<< Wong’s office clarified Australia sees Israel’s behaviour as a threat to stability in the Middle East, diminishing any prospect for peace and undermines the two-state solution, which remains the aim of many Western countries. >> Gee, ya' think? It is long overdue that ALL nations denounce the genocide!
Hear, hear.
It's a small but important step in the right direction. One can't help but think the US election result factors greatly into this decision. Firstly as the Labor Government may wish to distance itself from the incoming Trump Administration, despite the fact that US policy on Israel has been virtually the same regardless of whether Democrats or Republicans are in power. Now Trump has selected his hawkish, far-right, pro-Israel neocon cabinet indicating that the US-Israeli genocide of Palestine and Lebanon is likely to get much worse.
Secondly, with the federal election looming in 2025, the Labor Party must consider its base which largely supports Palestine despite the pro-Israel stance of much of the party leadership, as was the case with the Democratic Party. Having seen the failure of the Democrats in the US elections and recognising how crucial the Palestinian issue was in this failure, the Albanese Government seems to be shifting its stances at the very least for self preservation and re-election.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jul/06/fatima-payman-quits-labor-party-palestine-voters-base
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/13/donald-trump-administration-foreign-policy
Exactly, well said.
Fantastic news, George! Thanks for letting us know about the moral stand Australia has taken.
Excellent! Way to go Australia- let’s hope other Western countries follow suit.👏
Thank you George ! Excellent news !
Under my future leadership, North America will stand with Palestine! https://open.substack.com/pub/adamcheklat/p/my-stance-on-palestine?utm_source=app-post-stats-page&r=4m50jk&utm_medium=ios
No, what happened was that Trump got elected, which made it safe again for the stalwart upholders of Muh Rules Based International Order(R) to pretend to care about human rights, especially since doing so was now seen as damaging Trump, as opposed to an Obama or Biden.
Baby steps only George but positive indeed.
Being Australian, and living in Canterbury-Bankstown, my view of this is cynical, to put it mildly. The Labor government is so desperate to find “the centre”, on just about everything, that they always strive for a middle ground that pleases “both sides”. Problem is, there is no middle ground on genocide. And, on every other issue, the middle ground either pleases no-one or just results in a continuation of the same neoliberal policies as the previous neoliberal government. The Muslim community around here is seriously pissed off, an election is due within 6 months, and the government faces potentially losing some safe Labor seats they have taken for granted for years. So I see this as a duplicitous crab-walk towards some symbolic actions, to give the impression that they give a shit, without risking actually doing anything that would upset the Yanks or the Zionist media. When I hear the foreign minister actually use the word “genocide” I’ll believe they have moved. Until then, it’s a fart in a bottle.
I agree. I think the Australian Labor Gov want to be seen to be ‘on the right side of history’ when they lose the election next year. Deputy Opposition Leader Sussan Ley on TV today, naturally disagreeing with Labor’s vote at UN. Coalition wouldn’t make that call being even more pathetically attached at the hip to the US even when indisputable genocide is staring them in the face.
Well done Australia, have a cookie.
They do this after the every building in Palestine has been reduced to rubble. Many of these buildings burying bodies of thousands of innocent children, men and women. Many as I write this (and as you read this) are burying people alive, starving, dehydrated, suffocating and crushing them to death.
While the rest of the population shelter in tents, but not actually tents,salvaged fabric hooked up on twigs. Makeshift tents the Israeli airforce bomb, burning more kids and adults alive.
So now, now this is effectively over the Australian government grow some balls.
Too fucking late. Can you bring back the dead kids? will you help rebuild the country for the few that are left? Do you think America will help you? Or will you watch as American companies move in the build waterfront apartments for more Israelis to live in (which by the way, has already begun in some areas).
The Albanese Government have been spineless. A guy who hung out with Billy Bragg, lived in Sydney’s Hipsterville (but now lives in Millionaire Central Coast home. Yeah, nah.
All he’s done is allow the murder of some of the most tormented, abused and marginalised people in the world. Whilst in Australia, being such hopelessly incompetent PM, his only achievement has been to increase the likelihood of the organised psychopaths (the liberals and nationals) to have a far better chance of winning the next election.
Bravo Labour.
The best thing Albo can do is fuck off now. Learn from Joe Biden, step down now and not leave it so late it costs your entire party an election loss.
I should think the clapped out former empire with a megacasino in London, known as the "UK" or even more ludicrously as "Great Britain" will continue unapologetically backing the Zionists, genocide, ethnic cleansing, land theft and wanton murder, rape and terror, while smearing and not infrequently arresting people as antisemites when they are anti-Zionists (recently a veteran Jewish anti-Zionist protester was arrested outside the Israeli embassy - he's in his 80s and being treated for cancer every day with radiotherapy and medication that the police withheld from him for several hours later than when it should have been taken. He was released the following morning without charge). But congratulations to Australia for standing up for what's right and rejoining humanity.
Very good news from Australia, finally coming down on the right side. George you touched on an issue, statehood, that Einstein and I think Hannah Arendt too did. He advocated against statehood for Israel, but for a home of sorts, and referenced an offer by then Soviet Russia to give the Jews a homeland in Birobidjan, apparently a region of Russia.
Here is a recent Counter Punch article about that. https://www.counterpunch.org/2024/11/01/einstein-opposed-zionist-colonization-in-palestine-and-predicted-the-current-catastrophe/